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Interview with Ewa Wachowicz
Miss Polonia and runners-up in the world. Former government spokeswoman.
Producer, presenter, journalist, author of culinary books and restaurateur.
Mountain enthusiast. Aleksandra’s mother. Ewa Wachowicz has just turned 50 and says that … she is happy about it. To believe Eve or not? Katarzyna Piątkowska is checking.
You just turned 50 and you say you’re happy about it.
There are comments, however, that it is not real joy, that you cannot be happy with half a century on your neck.
I really feel like stepping into the cooler part of life! Do you know why?
One of my friends wrote to me on my birthday wishes: “Now you don’t have to do anything, you can do anything.”
That is why! I have experience in life and work, I have a wonderful adult daughter who is starting to become independent.
On the other hand, there is still strength in me, the joy of life. I still want to – experience, gain, work.
What about physical condition?
I have the impression that I have never been in such good shape.
Maybe because I am more aware of my body. I should probably say I communicate better with him.
And this is acquired with age. I was worried about other things when I was 21. At that time, for example, it seemed to me that my biggest problem is cellulite, which I have never had. During the Miss Polonia election, one of the awards was Dior’s cellulite cream.
I was smearing it like crazy. Today I look with love and tenderness at my thighs, I see imperfections and I think that everything is fine with me.
My joy for my age is sincere because I really like myself. I was 50 to like each other. I have learned to accept, take care of myself, I am aware of my body.
But not after reading one guide, but thanks to experiences, observations, traveling. So why should I not like my age? Should I pretend I’m younger than I am?
You don’t miss your youth?
You had a crazy youth. You were Miss Polonia, runner-up in the world, advisor to Prime Minister Waldemar Pawlak …
I do not miss. It all depends on what you do in life and whether you like what you do.
I have two World Miss University crowns from 1993 at home, one is commemorative, very decorative and stands in a special cabinet in the library, the other – the one I got on stage, is hidden with scarves and a Miss World tiara.
I recently handed over this Miss Polonia election from 1992 to Miss Polonia 2019.
I also have 472 days of work behind me at the side of Prime Minister Waldemar Pawlak. You know, it was only less than a year and a half, and I passed the university of my life. I was living at an incredible pace.
I didn’t know what I was signing up for. However, I know from experience that sometimes it is good not to know so as not to chick out. If I had expected what would happen to me, I would probably have missed a lot.
I would not take up the challenge. But I like challenges. It pushes the world and me forward.
Now I have harmony in my personal life, besides I run culinary programs, climb, do yoga, I built my dream log house near Babia Góra, I have my own restaurant in Krakow. I really have something to be happy about.
It is not that you are so contrarious that when someone tells you that you will definitely fail, then you do everything to make it succeed?
It’s a bit like this: “How is that? I can’t handle it? ”.
It is thanks to my dad who completely believed in my abilities. Even when I was still a child, I couldn’t cope with something, my dad would come and say: “Ewa, you can’t do it? So who can do it if not you? ”.
He taught you resourcefulness and self-confidence.
You’re right. When my mother called me on my 50th birthday, her wishes turned into my thanks to them for equipping me for my life.
What they gave me, love, support, faith in me is priceless.
People think that there is only joy and happiness behind your smile.
And yet you have many turns in life behind you.
With some of them I got up for a long time. But I have such a character that even if someone hurt me, I will remember one good thing they did.
For example, he fed a squirrel in the park. This is enough for me not to think badly of this person.
Sometimes it is difficult to forget bad things done to us by people.
Just because I don’t think badly about someone who hurt me, doesn’t mean that I still walk with him by my side.
I give a chance, but without exaggeration.
If someone does not want to take advantage of it, I cut off.
It took me a long time to understand that I didn’t have to get tired.
Besides, it is the various turns and inconveniences in life that shape us. When all is well, we do not develop any skills, we are stuck in comfort.
One of the biggest turns in your life was divorce?
Divorce from her husband and separation from Robert Makłowicz, which coincided in time.
Let’s start with the husband.
I grew up in a home full of love. My parents are 57 years old together and that love can still be seen in their eyes.
It touches me enormously. Just like them, I wanted it to end like a fairy tale in my case.
Unfortunately, it was not possible … I recently returned to those memories from years ago in my biography “All the crowns of Ewa Wachowicz”, which will be published soon.
Maybe I was too young for marriage? Maybe I chose wrong? Or maybe I couldn’t bear it.
Nobody warned you about this? At home, you had an ideal situation, and this is not always the case.
Before getting married, my friend warned me that I shouldn’t get married. Besides, she is not the only one.
But I was young and in love. Who then listens to good advice? A lot of people told me to wait, but I didn’t want to wait.
I believed that we would succeed and that we would be together for the rest of our lives.
And you see I am mine, and my life.
Although so many years have passed, is it hard for you to talk about it?
It’s always hard to admit, even to yourself, that something has gone wrong.
Have you been recovering for a long time after this breakup?
Three or four years. Perhaps it would take longer without therapy.
And I want to say it clearly, because maybe they will read this interview of women in such difficult situations that you cannot be ashamed that you have failed, that you cannot cope.
It is worth asking professionals for help. Before I made my final decision, we went to marriage therapy because, as I said, before I cut myself off, I’m trying to save myself. Then a psychotherapist helped me.
Fortunately, we have very good relations with Przemek and I remember rather good things that happened to me from him.
He has done a lot for me, he has saved me from many mishaps and difficulties, especially during my political career. But most importantly – he gave me a wonderful daughter.
Did Ola blame you for breaking up with her dad?
When Ola was little, she did not understand why we are not together.
When she was older, she told me, “Mom, it’s good that you split up. You are so different that you couldn’t be together.
” I was waiting for such words. In doing so, she took a heavy burden off my shoulders. I raised my daughter well if she could understand that.
The separation from her husband also coincided with a professional disaster.
For 10 years I have been producing the program “Culinary Travels by Robert Makłowicz”.
I loved this program, I traveled a lot of the world, I dealt with cooking, I worked with a fantastic team. Robert was the front man and I was standing in the back and that was fine with me.
After working with Prime Minister Pawlak, where I was both in front of the camera and behind the camera, after a few TV programs, I wanted to hide a bit. I wanted to “try” a normal life, because since Miss Election I could only dream about it.
We even married Przemek in South Africa so as not to be in the newspapers.
At the same time, I did not want to leave the TV, because working in it is addictive. It gives you such adrenaline as walking in the mountains.
So why is it all over?
Robert decided what he had a right to and now wants to do this program himself.
Sometimes you have to let someone go.
It fell on you like a bolt from the blue?
And what! It all collapsed over a dozen years ago.
I stopped feeling safe in my professional and private life. These were such emotions that I still remember where Robert and I met for an interview, how we were dressed and that he came on a scooter.
You did not break up friendship.
It is difficult to talk about a friendly separation, when for 10 years you worked together on something, you gave time and heart to it.
It hurt a lot when it happened. I was taken out of my comfort zone on all fronts.
But now, years later, I must say that it has turned out to be good for me. Back then, I felt sorry for him.
Huge. If you had wanted to interview me at that time, I probably wouldn’t have given you an interview at all, because I wouldn’t know what to say.
I don’t like to cry out in public. But I’ve been grateful to Robert for a long time. This situation motivated me to finally put my money on myself.
Did you ask yourself why all this happened?
Many times. And I know what for. Let me become fully independent and responsible for myself.
This is also what the mountains you love teach?
One more peak and you’ll have the Crown of Earth’s Volcanoes on your account.
Oh yes! But they also teach responsibility for others. You can’t help but think of your companion when you are tied up with one rope at a height of six or seven thousand meters.
I was surprised when I found out that you are reaching high heights.
You’re not the only one. On top of that, there were also voices saying that it was definitely a scam, because how does a blonde, Miss Polonia, always smiling cooking lady climb such a high mountain by herself?
On Damavand, the highest peak in Iran, I jumped on the back of the leader of the expedition, Krzysiek Kwiatkowski, and we took a photo to prove that I didn’t go there on anyone’s back, but on my own legs (laughs).
You still have to climb Mount Sidley, the highest volcano in Antarctica.
And I hope to get it next year. While not the tallest, it is the hardest to get. But if not now, after fifty, when?
Why do you want to get the Crown of Earth’s Volcanoes?
Because a lot of people have already won the Crown of the Earth, so have Poles.
And no one has won the Crown of Earth Volcanoes in Poland. I have a chance to be first. It was invented by my friend Klaudia Cierniak-Kożuch.
While climbing Kilimanjaro, she said that we were climbing pointless and maybe we could make sense of these expeditions. I have always loved mountains, and now these expeditions are of special importance to me, because they stop me in my daily chase.
They teach assertiveness not to take too much on themselves, because I have a plan – mountains. So I start selecting proposals, refusing, because I have to prepare myself for each such practice, and this takes time.
I run, exercise, walk with weights, without weights, and ride a bike. And I know that when we prepare for such a trip, everyone does it, because we are responsible for each other.
So I can’t help but go to training, even though the couch sometimes pulls me. But you cannot climb the seven-thousanders straight from your desk.
Have you ever given up on reaching the summit?
Twice. I missed my summit attack on Ararat and Kangri. On Kangri I had the summit at my fingertips.
During the last stop, I felt that maybe I would come in, but I might not be able to get down.
It was a difficult decision?
And that’s how. But in all of this you need common sense.
And knowing your body to know this is the moment to let go. I didn’t reach the top of Ararat either, although I didn’t know then that my leg was frostbitten.
If I hadn’t let go, I would have risked the lives of my comrades. In difficult conditions, falling darkness, who would take me down from above?
Can you let go in life too?
It was sometimes different (laughs). Now I know that balance is important in life.
Once upon a time, I pressed the gas down to the foot, both literally and figuratively.
Now I use the brake a lot to keep me from going out of the bends.
Fortunately, I already know how to distribute my strength to get to the end. I know how to run for the next 50 years so that I have enough strength.
Aren’t you running through life alone anymore?
Sławek, my greatest and most important love, has been running with me for a long time. I believe we will come to an end together.